Talk:Number of Bahá’ís by country
Uploaded numbers[edit]
i've uploaded some numbers. it came from this source: Source: Year 2000 Estimated Baha'i statistics from: David Barrett, World Christian Encyclopedia, 2000; Total population statistics, mid-2000 from Population Reference Bureau ( http://www.prb.org). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.190.136.157 (talk)
Speculation[edit]
This page speculates that the Baha'i Population is at 15 million(!) in a completely unscientific way. This needs to be edited DESPERATELY. Please. We cannot be seen to be making such completely unreasonable statements. The Statistics Department has repeatedly stressed that its figure is 5 million. Its hesitation to increase this figure in so many years should suggest that this is the most honest answer we could state. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.195.191 (talk)
- Thank you for your great contributions both here and in the book description :) This article has proved to be the hardest as country-wide statistics are not published in a centralized location. However as our database of populations grows so will the accuracy of the total estimated Baha'i population. We'll keep working to make it more accurate :)
- David 03:40, 8 October 2007 (MDT)
Non-Baha'i sources[edit]
This is proving to be a very difficult article. The question is should we include sources that are not Baha'i in the statistics? In places where I can compare statistics from the world Christian encyclopedia to those published by a Baha'i institution the numbers from the world Christian encyclopedia are much higher. For example the united states baha'i website lists 150,000[1] Baha'is while the WCE lists 753,423. In India the official website lists 1.2 million while the WCE lists 1,716,148.[2] Thoughts? David 01:11, 9 October 2007 (MDT)
- Suppose several columns could be included - one for WCE numbers, one for official numbers from the Statistics Department at the Baha'i World Centre. That way, both sources of information are presented, and people who have seen either number quoted in other publications can see which source each number came from. might help to clarify things for those who may be unfamiliar with the Faith. The problem remains, though, of finding both sets of information for each country - given the difficulties inherent for national communities in collecting accurate statistics of their membership, I'm assuming that there are more WCE statistics available than official Baha'i statistics. --Dragfyre 13:28, 9 October 2007 (MDT)
Sorting[edit]
The sorting is all wack! It's sorting columns alphabetically instead of numerically. I think it's because of the footnote references that we've included in the cells. Any ideas on how to fix it? --Dragfyre 08:26, 26 October 2007 (MDT)
- I've been looking for a solution since yesterday, one said that you needed to insert a hidden "sm=n" at the end, which I tried for the Baha'i sources but it didn't work. I will keep messing with it. David
Should we use[edit]
Should we use numbers from this website: http://lexicorient.com/e.o/bahai.htm ? David 04:37, 27 October 2007 (MDT)
Salvaging this article[edit]
Rather than using it to try and put together a full statistical analysis of Baha'i community numbers worldwide (which is arguably impossible because the exact statistics are simply not there), I think the best we can do with this article is simply to illustrate the range of estimates given per country. Present as many estimates as we can find, all together, noting sources for each one. As others have noted, extrapolating from these numbers to come up with a worldwide figure doesn't make sense. Those who want to do so can feel free, if they want, and we can give them data to pick and choose from.
On this note, we can use archive.org to link to the pages that have disappeared, as I've done for a few refs already. I've also added {{UN Population}}, which we can use to display up-to-date population statistics. Dragfyre (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2017 (PDT)
- I was thinking just to delete it. While somewhat interesting none of the links represented very good sources anyway I think. David (talk) 06:59, 7 October 2017 (PDT)
- Well, Adherents is based on the WCE which is widely quoted as a source for statistics. RI is based on a number of different sources, although their methodology seems a bit opaque. I agree that the sources aren't of the highest quality, but it's still interesting to see the range of estimates that do exist. If another source comes around eventually, it could be added too. That, to me, would be a better use for this page—allowing people to compare all the different estimates so that they can come to their own conclusions. Dragfyre (talk) 07:22, 7 October 2017 (PDT)
So, I've gone ahead and updated all countries with data from RI, ARDA and Adherents.com; I've dropped the "percentage" column and replaced it with the standard deviation of all the estimates, since that seems to fit the new purpose of the article.
I've also found a new source: The UN's Demographic Yearbook. These collect statistics from national agencies, so they're roughly equivalent to census numbers. Here are the numbers for the Baha'i Faith:
| Country | Est. Baha'i population |
|---|---|
| Mauritius (2000) | 841 |
| St.Helena (1998) | 20 |
| Seychelles (2002) | 392 |
| South Africa (1996) | 2,264 |
| Belize (2000) | 205 |
| Bermuda (2001) | 110 |
| Canada (2001) | 18,020 |
| Jamaica (2001) | 279 |
| Netherlands Antilles (2001) | 52 |
| Saint-Lucia (2002) | 73 |
| Nepal (2001) | 1,211 |
| Austria (2001) | 760 |
| Finland (1985) | 352 |
| Ireland (2002) | 490 |
| Lithuania (2001) | 31 |
| Micronesia (1994) | 141 |
| New Zealand (1996) | 3,111 |
| Tonga (1996) | 595 |
| Tuvalu (1991) | 161 |
I'll try to include these soon, too. Dragfyre (talk) 18:54, 12 January 2020 (PST)
- More UN figures, this time from the Demographic Statistics Database -- these seem to be from a slightly more up-to-date version of the Demographic Yearbook: Dragfyre (talk) 19:11, 12 January 2020 (PST)
Country or Area Year Religion Record Type Source Year Value Antigua and Barbuda 2001 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2009 51 Australia 2016 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2017 13989 Australia 2011 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2012 13705 Australia 2006 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2011 12331 Australia 2001 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2009 11036 Austria 2001 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2003 760 Bahamas 2010 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2013 65 Barbados 2010 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2016 98 Barbados 2000 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2008 178 Belize 2010 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2014 216 Belize 2000 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2005 205 Bermuda 2010 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2011 124 Bermuda 2000 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2003 129 Botswana 2011 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2015 2074 Botswana 2001 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2003 713 British Virgin Islands 2010 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2016 10 Canada 2011 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2013 18945 Canada 2001 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2003 18020 Falkland Islands (Malvinas) 2006 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2009 12 Finland 2010 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2011 568 Ireland 2011 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2012 520 Ireland 2006 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2009 504 Ireland 2002 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2003 490 Jamaica 2011 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2013 269 Jamaica 2001 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2007 279 Kiribati 2015 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2019 2314 Kiribati 2010 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2013 2322 Lithuania 2011 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2014 29 Lithuania 2001 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2003 31 Mauritius 2011 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2012 645 Mauritius 2000 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2003 841 Nepal 2011 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2013 1283 Nepal 2001 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2002 1211 New Zealand 2013 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2016 2634 New Zealand 2006 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2009 2772 New Zealand 2001 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2009 2991 New Zealand 1996 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 1997 3111 Palau 1995 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2005 96 Saint Helena ex. dep. 2016 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2016 11 Saint Helena ex. dep. 2008 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2012 9 Saint Helena ex. dep. 1998 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2000 20 Saint Lucia 2001 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2003 73 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 2001 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2017 25 Samoa 2016 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2018 817 Samoa 2001 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2008 902 Seychelles 2002 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2005 392 Slovakia 2011 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2013 1065 South Africa 1996 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2000 2264 Tonga 2006 Baha'i Census - de jure - complete tabulation 2009 686 Tonga 1996 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 1998 595 Tuvalu 2002 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2007 177 Zambia 2010 Baha'i Census - de facto - complete tabulation 2015 3891
RI gone[edit]
I'm thinking of removing all http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk links as the site is gone. Will default to info from www.thearda.com and worldpopulationreview.com Ernobe (talk) 07:30, 27 August 2023 (PDT)
- No problem, it wasn't a great source anyway, and most of all it's out of date (and won't be updated since the site is offline as you said). I originally included it a long while ago since there weren't a lot of independent estimates out there, but nowadays there are far better sources to use. Dragfyre (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2023 (PDT)
